Thinking of Running Ozone

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I am not sensitive to ozone but when I was living in a basement with an electrostatic discharge to clean the air as it was entering the furnace I developed headaches that were constant. I could very slightly smell (think lighting bolt smell here) the ozone present but it was not to the point of being noxious. As soon as I stopped using the air cleaner my headaches stopped. I would suspect asmatics to develop respitory problems before a concentration reached high enough to cause headaches. If you are getting headaches from ozone the concentraion is at a dangerous level for prolonged exposure whether you you are sensitive or not. Most of the ozone will be oxidized in the water column if you size it properly. The carbon is really just used as a fail-safe to prevent any residual ozone from exiting the system
 
I think I understand so You could possably get headaches if you were sensetive to it but as boomer has used it for a long time and said it most likely wont do anything thanks all :)
 
Well after reading up and thinking about running Ozone for some time I decided to go out and get a cheap unit myself and just run it a couple of hours per day to help clear up the system...

Thanks again everyone for the helpful information..

James
 
Boomer said:
You seem to forget what may happen if the ozone discharge line falls off most of these units for some reason or a broken or cracked line and they have.

I'm assuming this is bad :). Boomer, the Sanders unit you had recommended - does it have a pretty good track record?

Alberto - thank you for the comments. I thought about putting a small one on the tank, and feeling relatively safe with a controller, but now I wonder about a break in the unit, if it is cheaply made.
 
Here is my take on using Ozone... :D

IF you are uncomfortable with it, and since it isn't a necessity for a reef tank anyway, you can skip it and buy yourself some peace of mind...

If you do chose to use it, than as stated above, educate yourself on the benefits, risks, and proper usage of it...

There I go, stating the obvious again... :lol:

MikeS
 
Mike - I have been uncomfortable about ozone, but that's why I am trying to educate myself, so I can make a choice. :D
 
Mike I agree with that 100 % :D

Nikki

Yes that is bad. Think of the a unit that is putting out 225 mg /hr. Actual delivery rate of O3 is base on air flow and O3 generated (we will use 6500 ppm for our example below). That means that unit ratings of say 100 mg / l or 250 mg ./ l is almost useless. An air pump with 100 l /hr is going to be different than an air pump of 200 l / hr. The higher the flow rate of air the less the concentration will be.

If a unit used a 1.5 l / min air pump ( 90 l /hr about 25 gal / hr) and generated 6500 ppm ozone the unit would be rated around maybe 225 mg / l ozone. So every hr there is 25 gal of air going in your room at 225 ppm. But the danger level is oh say .1ppm , so . 1 / 225 = 2250 x 25 gals of air = 56,250 gals of air would have .1 ppm O3 in 1 hr. Is your room that big ? Ozone is also heavier than CO2, so it would sit more and move less. So, pretend you fall asleep and the O3 line falls off :( That is very bad ;)

0.125 ppm room exposure for 1 hour (VERY UNHEALTHY)

At ozone concentrations from 0.125 to 0.404 ppm, sensitive people experience severe respiratory symptoms and impaired breathing.


and

0.080 ppm produce adverse effects on human health such as PEFR decrements in asthmatic children


So, you need to make sure of all connections, hoses, etc. are of the right material and attached properly so this does not happen. We must protect units, attachments and fittings form things like kids, dogs and cats that may pull them off. When these precautions are met ozone is just fine. The air vent on the skimmer also needs a mounted cup filled with GAC. All water leaving the skimmer must be passed over GAC, to inhibit the formation of bromine bleach.

I like Sander's as it is a German company. They have been in this hobby for 30 years and specialize in hobby equipment. That have researched more on ozone in this hobby than anybody. It is to bad they still don't have prints of their tech manuals that explain ozone and what it does.


http://www.aqua-sander.de/index.en.html
 
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This was just posted on our chem forum today, do I need say more :D

My ozone gen melted my last plastic tee (which was sold as ozone safe) and until I can find some better ones I have used a brass tee and brass hose barb. Will the ozone / air mix flowing thru the brass cause a copper problem ?
Thanks
Carson
 
Scoot

How would you like that Helgoland skimmer in your living room at 7 feet tall :lol:

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Ahh yet another over engineered PVC laden skimmer to deter us DIYers ;) You would have to buy one to understand how is works! Oh yea... it's just passing bubbles through water.. Nevermind :)

You could put a Scarecrow suit over it in the Fall, and Christmas tree cover in the winter, ect ect

That is a beauty!!
 
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Oh so true..

Where are the color changing LED's mounted for the skimming disco party feature??! Everyone knows the skimmer dance right? Not the one where you brace yourself with the skimmer while falling breaking it but the one where the foam blows off the collection cup lid and produces a gallon each week ;)
:::I better shut-up before I get thrown in the lake at the PSAS BBQ:::

Relevant to Ozone: I am going to read up more on these "hydrocarbons" as well as the impact heated air has as opposed to humid air. I really would like to find a way around purchasing and re-charging an air-dryer..
 
NaH2O said:
Mike - I have been uncomfortable about ozone, but that's why I am trying to educate myself, so I can make a choice. :D

Nikki...in your case, I'd recommend skipping the ozone.

Look at it this way...aside from the potential risks (even if the actual degree of risk is debateable), every time the little one has a problem, a cough, an attack, ect, you are going to wonder if the ozone may have contributed to it. Even if you do everything correctly, it's going to be in the back of your mind. I'd say if you are even slightly concerned about it, wait until your little one hopefully outgrows the asthma. You'll be in the hobby a long time I suspect, and the ozone isn't an absolute necessity, why not trade its benefits for some piece of mind? :D Just my $.02, Nikki :D

MikeS
 
Not the one where you brace yourself with the skimmer while falling breaking it but the one where the foam blows off the collection cup lid and produces a gallon each week
Ahhh its all good buddy...nice face by the way!!

The use of ozone can be made out to be very scary and overly simple at times. Like Boomer I have used it for many years (not as many as boom as he is older then dirt :D , but a bunch anyway). Personally I find the use of ozone to be a pretty simple thing, but it is one that can not be mickey moused. Use the right accessories and the constant use of carbon on the wet and dry output of your skimmer and you can reap the rewards if offers.


Mike
 
I can tell ya I have only been Running Ozone since about 9pm last night and only for a few hours on and then Several hours off... I put carbon on the Output from the skimmer on the air Input to the becketts as well as on my Waste container output so that way the Ozone isnt going anywhere it Aint supposed to... I used only the tubing that the unit came with so its got a good tight fit... Its a pretty crappy unit but I can tell some Major differences in my tank... I still need to get an ORP controller but I figure its semi safe running it for a few hours at a time... But man you can pretty much watch the water get Crystal clear within the first couple of hours thats for sure..

James
 
Yea James and that is something you need to really watch, that crystal clear water can light shock your corals in a heartbeat, so either screen the lights or figure a plan on light acclimation. I have seen many tanks take a big hit when folks didnt do that


Mike
 
Yeah I hear ya there... My tank has had enough problems with lights lately... I Got it taken care of ;) ... Ya know with all the issues everything seems to be looking happier today since running the Ozone for a few hours last night..

James
 
Ahh cool, I was thinking the same thing. I would hate to see those puppies take another hit. Good luck


Mike
 

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